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  Ray Franz df'd , what did the society say ??????

  by run dont walk in

  1. watchtower
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  i remember vaguely, well all hell broke loose in the late 70's regarding, ray franz being df'd, and the witch hunt at bethel.

  i was just a little kid at the time, and didn't pay much attention.. i know ray's point of view, from what i've read on this board, and also ordered myself his book "crisis of conscience"(should be a good read).

  i think back now, i remember the event happening, and the speaker talking about it at our circuit assembly, but i don't recall the reasons (bs) he gave.

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  Thanks Blondie, I was looking for that issue.

  Well, mouthy, JW's will say anything, even if they don't have the facts, and they talk about "us" believing rumours.

  Thanks everyone for your comments !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  What are the most "embarrassing" moments/events for the Watchtower ???

  by run dont walk in

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  boy, this thread could go on forever ........ i just found out recently, about the pyramid theory by russell and the building rutherford had built for abraham's return ..... i never remember my family talking about these while we were growing up/going to meetings.. i guess the society tries to hide the embarrassment as much as posssible.. so what would call some of the most embarrassing moments by the watchtower (1879-2003), i am hoping to copy alot of comments and pass them on to my jw family.

  and hopefully other posters (lurkers) could find the info useful as well.. oh and please, if you can give more details on the two above i mentioned please do ........

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  thanks Blondie, I was wondering what issue that was in.

  Great comments everyone, keep 'em coming !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  Wt orders fully integrated hard cover book system from Muller Martini

  by blondie in

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  http://members.whattheythink.com/news/newslink.cfm?id=11030

  watchtower orders fully integrated hard cover book system from muller martini.

  june 18, 2003 -- wallkill, new york the watchtower society of the jehovahs witnesses has ordered one of the industrys most completely integrated hard cover book production lines for installation in a new addition to the facility that is being constructed here.

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  run dont walk

  Wow, Martini's and Corona's, not one to mix drinks, but should be a great party at headquarters.

  I couldn't resist.

  Why does the Society continue to upgrade year after year ???

  I have heard threw the grapevine(strictly hearsay) , that some loyal JW's are questioning these "upgrades", because the equipment they already have is working just fine.

  I guess they have to hide the profits somewhere, maybe they're getting good kickbacks.(for personal use) Does expansion mean another delay in Armageddon? Kenneson that was GREAT, I laughed for an hour .............
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  Ray Franz df'd , what did the society say ??????

  by run dont walk in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i remember vaguely, well all hell broke loose in the late 70's regarding, ray franz being df'd, and the witch hunt at bethel.

  i was just a little kid at the time, and didn't pay much attention.. i know ray's point of view, from what i've read on this board, and also ordered myself his book "crisis of conscience"(should be a good read).

  i think back now, i remember the event happening, and the speaker talking about it at our circuit assembly, but i don't recall the reasons (bs) he gave.

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  run dont walk

  I remember vaguely, well all hell broke loose in the late 70's regarding, Ray Franz being df'd, and the witch hunt at bethel. I was just a little kid at the time, and didn't pay much attention.

  I know Ray's point of view, from what I've read on this board, and also ordered myself his book "crisis of conscience"(should be a good read)

  I think back now, I remember the event happening, and the speaker talking about it at our circuit assembly, but I don't recall the reasons (BS) he gave. Or how the society, made themselves look justified, I recently threw this in my parents face, and said "how could you believe that crap and not question it, and just go on as you were", well my Mom was speechless, considering I didn't know the exact reasoning from the society's point of view, I played it pretty well.

  She will be calling back, so I better be ready ......... Help please.
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  What are the most "embarrassing" moments/events for the Watchtower ???

  by run dont walk in

  1. jw
  2. friends

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  boy, this thread could go on forever ........ i just found out recently, about the pyramid theory by russell and the building rutherford had built for abraham's return ..... i never remember my family talking about these while we were growing up/going to meetings.. i guess the society tries to hide the embarrassment as much as posssible.. so what would call some of the most embarrassing moments by the watchtower (1879-2003), i am hoping to copy alot of comments and pass them on to my jw family.

  and hopefully other posters (lurkers) could find the info useful as well.. oh and please, if you can give more details on the two above i mentioned please do ........

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  Boy, this thread could go on forever .......

  I just found out recently, about the Pyramid theory by Russell and the Building Rutherford had built for Abraham's return ....

  I never remember my family talking about these while we were growing up/going to meetings.

  I guess the society tries to hide the embarrassment as much as posssible.

  So what would call some of the most embarrassing moments by the Watchtower (1879-2003), I am hoping to copy alot of comments and pass them on to my JW family. And hopefully other posters (lurkers) could find the info useful as well.

  Oh and please, if you can give more details on the two above I mentioned PLEASE DO ........
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  Did you get made fun of when you were in school?

  by doodle-v in

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  did you get made fun of when you were in school?

  i'm curious to know because when i was in junior high i was constantly picked on made fun of and the butt of many jokes.

  even remembering that hurts till this day.

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  I think all of us went through this at some time in our life during our school years.

  How we all made it, is a miracle in itself. Was it worth it ????? (to all parents out there lurking)

  I really liked your comment at the end "but i never ever ever want my kids to go through what i did. *sigh*"

  Makes you question,

  How many people in the JW borg (who can't get out), are not going to have kids, because they do not want to bring them up the way they were brought up.

  I find it amazing it my family alone 5 brother/sisters only 2 grandkids.

  In my whole family let's say roughly 25 cousins related, only 7 kids from those 25.

  Has the Watchtower/parents (can't blame it all on the Watchtower) scared people so much, that there is no way they will have children of their own ???????

  I gave this experience before, someone I knew when I was 18 was pregnant by her JW boyfriend, and they were so scared and did not want to embarass her dad the BIG elder, they went the abortion route. How sad !!!!!!!!!!!
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  I'm going to meet up with a Df'ed friend for a drink tomorrow.

  by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after 9 months of being inactive and deprogramed, i have become really comfortable with saying to dubs how i feel about the borg and how it's betrayed them.

  i guess it's because now i don't care what the borg do to me...............they have no authority over me, i don't let them.. so for the last couple of months hubby and i have been sharing our feelings and thoughts with any dubs we meet.

  yesterday at work, i was sitting there thinking about a friend i'd made in the borg and how i would like to catch up with her again.

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  well, if she is already df'd, not much to ask her about JW land is there, is she still attending (looking to be re-instated).

  The best is of course all the doctrine changes (1914 especially), and for sure the child abuse scandals. The UN scandal, Watchtower making a billion dollars a year, since these are somewhat high profile, she must of heard about them. Just ask so what do you think about all this ????

  How is family treating you ???? Alot of times this can be the hardest, regardless of what going on at the Watchtower.

  Please post again after you talk to her, it will be interesting to read how she has changed over the course of a year. And what she is heading towards.

  Good Luck and enjoy !!!!!!!!!
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  Are JW's prejudice ??? 15 questions (not talking about race)

  by run dont walk in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  , what do you think ............ 1) will a jw parent allow their son/daughter date someone who is not a jw ???.

  2) will a jw parent allow their son/daughter marry someone who is not a jw ???.

  3) will a jw parent allow their kids to socialize with other kids after school or weekends ???.

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  run dont walk

  you're right m0nk3y, to a point,

  The point I'm questioning, is (maybe prejudice was the wrong word to use) when parents start telling their children who to and who not to associate with, and telling their children that all the kids that are not JW's will die at Armageddon (I heard this a lot growing up). The Watchtower has some serious teaching problems, when you start labelling people that way, what else do you call it ???

  And we all know the problem prejudices have caused in the world, children being brought up to kill themselves and as many as they can for their country/religion, is the Watchtower not guilty of the same thing in a round about way. (not the killing part, but teaching it to their young)

  What is a child, let's say 8 years old suppose to do, leave home ands move in with Johnny's family who are JW's.

  No offense I say this for example only run dont walk : I can label you as prejudice against Jehovahs Witnesses. But what point does this all prove ?

  None taken, And you're right I probaly am prejudice against the Watchtower and Jehovah's Witnesses, but I'm NOT teaching my kids this, they decide on their own.
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  Paying interest on a Kingdom Hall loan, is it interest or mortgage ???

  by run dont walk in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i have read several threads where the general concession is, a new kingdom hall being built that needs a loan is usually 3 % .

  let's say this is true (for the sake of arguement).

  now i just renewed my mortgage at 5 % interest, sounds great doesn't it, but the first 5 years 50% of your money is going to interest and 50 % to principal, because the bank makes you pay the interest first.

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  I have read several threads where the general concession is, a new Kingdom Hall being built that needs a loan is usually 3 % . Let's say this is true (for the sake of arguement)

  Now I just renewed my mortgage at 5 % interest, sounds great doesn't it, but the first 5 years 50% of your money is going to interest and 50 % to principal, because the bank makes you pay the interest first. So as good as 5 % sounds it's really more like 40-50% for the first five years.

  So my question is does the Watchtower charge the same way a bank does, 3% sounds great but is it a loan or mortgage, big difference.

  When you buy a new car for $20,000 it costs you about $23,500 with interest on a 5-year loan.

  But mortgages work differently, How does the Watchtower charge ?, I would really like to know.
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  Are JW's prejudice ??? 15 questions (not talking about race)

  by run dont walk in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  , what do you think ............ 1) will a jw parent allow their son/daughter date someone who is not a jw ???.

  2) will a jw parent allow their son/daughter marry someone who is not a jw ???.

  3) will a jw parent allow their kids to socialize with other kids after school or weekends ???.

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  run dont walk

  Well are they ????????? , what do you think ...........

  1) will a JW parent allow their son/daughter date someone who is not a JW ???

  2) will a JW parent allow their son/daughter marry someone who is not a JW ???

  3) will a JW parent allow their kids to socialize with other kids after school or weekends ???

  4) will a JW parent allow their child attend functions with other kids that are not JW's (other than school activities) (ex. neighbor is taking all the kids on the street to the zoo)

  5) will a JW parent allow their grown up child decide for themselve if they wish to continue in JW land or not ??? and accept the decision ???

  6) will JW's associate with people regularly (not work related), that are not JW's ???

  7) will JW's let their kids, join baseball, soccer, hockey leagues for the summer, to have contact with other people ???

  8) will a JW parent allow their kids to attend a teen dance put on by the local recreation center ??? (absolutely no alcohol or smoking)

  9) will a JW attend a wedding/funeral for someone who is not a JW, and not family related ??? (could be a neighbor, workmate, or acquaintance)

  10) will a JW attend a wedding/funeral in a church ???

  11) will JW's attend any neighborhood functions ???

  12) Do JW's only associate with JW's ??????

  13) Why would JW's attend Hockey, baseball, football, basketball games, concerts, comedy shows, theater, movies, if none of these people are JW's ???

  13a) If these events (in #13) play a national anthem, why would a JW attend such a pagan event that begins with a national anthem ???

  14) If NBC and CBS and CBC (Dateline, CBS Evening News, Fifth Estate) show apostate shows, should a JW not watch these stations at all, since they promote apostate programming ???

  15) Is a person brought up at birth as a JW, allowed to choose his own .... music, job, career, schooling ???

  Prejudice is so often thought of as only a race issue, but really is a JW any different, by catagorizing people by what they believe as opposed to the color of their skin ???

  I guess the answer is YES !!!!!!!! comment please .....

  and please add in any questions you can think of that suggest JW's maybe are prejudice .....